I've been an expat but tbh happy to call myself immigrant too (as I once was to Britain as a 2yr old!). My eyes *roll* when White EU Nationals scream racism when British people call them out for treating their country like a hotel (with many paying hostel rates). I am stuck with sole British citizenship now and trying hard to get out of here. Your remark about the EU being a dictatorship shows a bizarre disconnect from the ugly reality of the current world. It doesn't rain disproportionately at all. I wish you and your husband the best of luck on your travels and next adventure in life!!! Countries in Europe are becoming less and less accepting and open. In comparison to it's New World ex-colonies, the UK's living standards is worse and declining. Despite looking great on a Downton Abbey episode, this is not the place I see myself living (and many British friends are moving as well). The average British student doesn't study anything but marketing, business administration, management! If you question that, you will be 'animalist.'. Education is in a terrible state in the UK. At first, many were not sure how insulting it really is until it was thrown about to anyone in tracksuits and a cap. You have NO IDEA that you have written exactly what I feel. You are from Romania but you don't want to live there? I'm glad you had the chance to go for a brighter future abroad. Nearly 1% of the population were new immigrants every year !!! move to New Zealand ,great place to live Dave from Hull. It's amazing really. Hi!! But this was short-lived because I arrived in the UK during a dark time for Romanians and Bulgarians who just joined the EU. I would love to study in Britain, especially in Bristol ! Here I was living this dream, envied by friends and family yet felt the most unhappy in my life.I was more than happy to give everything up including my great city job when my husband was offered a job oversees close to my home country. Accommodation: yeah, pretty expensive to be fair :). There are pros and cons to this. It would be good if we could connect and talk. You hit the nail on the head for me. What happens when you publicly turn your back on your neighbors and put them down? It's just that we wanted to experience something a little different for a while. I'm always asked whether or not I would move back and honestly, especially as a result of recent events and where things seem to be headed, I wouldn't. I've witnessed how the foreigners were treated after the Brexit vote and on behalf of my country, I'm sorry. There is no way you had to give up Indian citizenship. We've left again. We would love to rent a car and drive for hours. Since we are freelancers and we are location independent, we realised there are better places more suitable for our current lifestyle. Brandon, you are a delusional idi*t. I am an Indian immigrant and I would rather eat my own excrement than be English. I think I have officially reached the point of depression due to the rain and I am absolutely desperate to leave. We were the first country to be industrialised, like most of the world now, and our parliamentary system is followed the free world over. Image: ANGLIA PRESS AGENCY LTD) The Lancashire town hold the dubious honour of being crown the least offensive borough on list. I do not recognise this country anymore. It gets to you when you need to ride your bike home whilst getting wet to the bones. It's like someone has brought all my thought and captured it in a well written text! Do you want to know what the Dutch think about your country? I agree with Cory 100% im English myself but i really hate living near London the people are violent , too many are on very serious drugs or are junkies and again i agree you cant walk the streets at night safely , In my situation im a transgender woman and too many men in the UK have very homophobic views towards people like me , ive been abused and beaten up in my past and i really just want out of this country now as i am a hard working woman i dont sponge or claim benefits and can live independently in any country as long as im accepted by the local community , I think i will move to Denmark as there people are civilised unlike the UK where they seem to be stuck in the 1950s. Being English is a privilege, the UK is a good country and one of the best in the world. It's not. I could see where things were headed and at the time I was a social worker. my heart is there , my heart is here .. A very interesting and substantial read. Trust me, live as a black person in Italy or Greece, or a Muslim in Colombia or Argentina for a while and you will really understand racism. The food quality both in restaurants and in supermarkets is awful, but a Brit friend explained me that's because most people eat to survive not to actually enjoy the meal. The negatives are playing out on the world stage. As a small island, the UK has and will always be expensive, but this is the same as all other developed small islands, Iceland, Bahamas, Singapore, New Zealand etc. You Could Travel All Rights Reserved 2016 - 2023.Use of the content of this website for AI and ML training is prohibited.Privacy Policy | Disclaimer. Iceland is meant to be a very expensive place to live but in Reykjavik I worked 30 hours a week in a minimum wage job, payed my rent, bills, transport and food and still had more than half of my wages left over! I was getting a little agitated reading the political part of this post as it puts anyone who voted brexit into one racist/moronic box. I do believe it should have its own independence and continue to be part of the EU as its citizens want. I'm still searching for the answer but got lost somewhere along the way. Compared to Italy, Germany and most other EU countries schools and universities are really easy, not in depth and way too expensive for the quality they offer. The most heartbreaking part is the attitude towards immigrants which Britain seems to have adopted. As a small island, the UK has and always will be expensive, but this is the same as all other developed small islands, Iceland, Bahamas, Singapore, New Zealand etc. That sums it up. I do hope you visit the UK. That is what Brexit is all about: fighting back against this invasion. We're thinking of moving away as soon as I've finished my studies for many of the same reasons as the ones you mentioned. That so many immigrants come to the UKcomplain about itgo country hopping and then come back, says a lot about Britain, British culture.. and those people. There are so many digital nomad jobs so you don't need to live in London anymore. Well, England has gotten less safe because of the mass invasion of fighting age males from overpopulated Muslim countries. Both Toronto and Vancouver are my favorite Canadian cities, and the road trip from Alberta to BC is very beautiful. Is England a good place to live? Italians and Greeks will never "tick" the same as the Germans, Austrians and Dutch. However, every time I turn on the news it makes me question whether it is the right choice. Hi Wendy, thank you for your comment. The enchanting cottage, you're right, is not cosy at all when humidity and rain are constant. I moved away from the UK last year too, for similar reasons. I also hope your partner will learn to agree with you and understand you, if nothing else. Their main issue are Eastern Europeans and Balkan people, as well as non-white migrants and Muslim people. Monthly rent for 85 m2 (900 Sqft) furnished accommodation in NORMAL area 1.696 Australia is pretty great, I am not surprised you miss it! We live in a gorgeous house with good insulation, stunning views, great friends, good food fit for human consumption and are surrounded by lovely people who accept and appreciate other cultures. I wish you good luck. I propose that you go and visit the UK for 1-2 weeks before you decide to commit and move there. Imported American culture. Trust me, live as a black person in Italy or Greece, a Muslim in Colombia or Argentina, or a Jew in the Middle East for a while and you will really understand racism. It's also quite scary how a lot of those people, like myself, who were born and bred in the UK, due to racism and mistreatment, clasp their hands in glee as the UK makes wrong decision after wrong decision. Dear Alaine, thank you for your comment. Thats a huge number for a small country. There are so many wonderful things about Britain! I definitely feel you on this, although maybe not to the extent that you do as I am an American who lives in Prague and has lived in Wales and France. We need visionaries such as Tony Benn. Now foreigners or people of colour get beaten up again and regularly so for being who they are. Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. Because why would they?! Hi Brian, thank you for your insightful message. They still believe in the purity of Japanese blood and parents discourage mixed marriage. Thank you for addressing that question bravely, truthfully and directly and may you and your partner have lots of luck and joy in finding your place in this world. [33] The Times has referred to the character as "[a] chavvish girl",[34] and the character has been said to possess a "chav accent". We thought we needed to give them some respect and have decided to trademark our sweets. Honestly its all in how you phrase it, lovely. Dear Emma, I am glad you found your way in the world. The food is good here if you know where to eat. Englanders are sad, fragile little people who hate to see foreigners or people who look different to them, thrive. I hope to God, James, that you get the taste of your own medicine. Of course, as a foreigner, I understood my limitations, yet spelling was never a major issue. I hope you enjoy it and I hope we have better days in Europe! Ten mins of my life I'll never get back I am sorry to say. I lived alone in a small flat in Birmingham, my wages covered my rent and bills and nothing else. Dream! It created the perfect environment for me to work, write and create. But thinking back to recent trips abroad I've just brushed it off as "holiday syndrome" when I've thought about how much happier other places seemed to be! I still remember the distress and shame I felt that day. God help us. I told my British friend about this and her reaction was: "Were there any foreigners working for the company?" I have no hesitation in saying most brits ARE racists but live in denial.English people progress quickly everywhere despite only being half as qualified as a person of colour. Racist and a bigot for stating that YOUR COUNTRY has a massive issue with foreigners and xenophobia (and especially Eastern European ones). Well, if you are going to Japan things won't be easy there is much more difficult to integrate in Japan than UK, you are really targeting difficult countries, but is your choice. (Not saying that everyone in the North is racist, nor am I saying no Southerners are racist - just a generalisation). This country in terms of its media and even statesman speed by the government have made it very hostile place towards people like myself. I have a Polish wife, and we've been increasingly travelling full-time. There is a lot of incentive for young entrepreneurs to start a new business here and we took full advantage of this. This country is still driven by their colonial mindset where the Brits are the managers and the foreign will take care of getting everything done for them. Apparently, I wrote, "Stacy" instead of "Stacey" on a reminder post-it which has nothing to do with official documentation, appointment book or customer-facing paperwork. I do hope you move to Barcelona soon! Mass immigration destroys societies, creates division and problems, immigration of few people and more controlled, where only the best can become English is what UK has to do. How can I decide??? There are new ideas on the market all the time, and inventors are trying hard to come up with ideas on how to push the UK further. I tried all sorts of clubs and activities but the sense of community that I longed for was just never there. I always strive to do better. Furthermore, I respect the people who in my mind, made Britain awesome (Like Mick Jagger, David Attenborough or Maggie Smith). It's beautiful that you can live in Germany without a visa. A 2006 survey by YouGov suggested 70% of TV industry professionals believed that Vicky Pollard was an accurate reflection of white working-class youth. I grew up in the 80s and 90s, with my formative years being surrounded by garage and house music, multiculturalism, brilliant Saturday night TV, and the Notting Hill carnival. This brings me to the last point, which is safety. 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I might be back to UK to visit Stratford but not sure when, and I hope the situation will get much better during my return trip. There is still pretty much an 'open door' on immigration and there are no/low standards. I have watched it decline as I grow older. I never felt 2nd class at school and teachers pushed me to excel. James, why are you in Germany if you hate the EU so much? Politics aside, I hope it gets better here, but I dont see it happening anytime soon. Politicians havent listened to the people on this issue and Brexit was a cry for help. We would love to try and live in the UAE. Maybe capitalism has encouraged too much greed? I have a feeling we'll do OK. The newspapers and the Tory party conjure up this idea that immigrants and immigration are the cause of so many of our problems (strain on social welfare, NHS, not enough housing, not enough jobs etc) to hide the true cause of those problems, which is cuts to funding and their government! [citation needed], The large supermarket chain Asda has attempted to trademark the word "chav" for a line of confectionery. -Tv - Crap and, you need A PAID LICENSE to tolerate that crap. I still remember talking to my husband the previous night, saying that the world is not that stupid. But there's no garden without weeds, right? Hi Cory. Ridiculously so in comparison to other countries, and that is the problem. Even though I think the political climate in Scotland is slightly different than in England - especially in Glasgow, where we live - there is no denying that the overall situation sucks. Whereby his reply was: "What British culture?". We would love to visit Toronto and Vancouver. [6], Opinion is divided on the origin of the term. I say we invest more into the NHS and social welfare. I am bisexual and growing up in Romania vs UK are two different worlds - yes, Romanians were way more tolerant than British kids who physically abused and bullied me. We need more people such as yourself, who realise that indeed, the UK needs immigrants to keep certain parts of the country afloat. "Chav" may have its origins in the Romani word "chavi", meaning "child". Macron says the French would vote to leave the EU if they had the chance and Italy is more anti-EU than the UK. The society in Britain has grown to become more hostile to immigrants and foreigners, nevertheless, wouldn't say it is racist, but I would say that there is a significant proportion of the population that are bigots (and I don't intend to offend anyone). Home is where your heart is. I just could not understand why the land of my dreams was not working for me. I love nature and feel now that I am always inside wasting my life away. I can cook Cantonese, Japanese (my favourite), Thai, Indian, French, Italian, Spanish and what not! Bristol is actually just as wet as Manchester because it is in the west - so actually you did live in a relatively "rainy" part of England, yes. So much so that it's perfectly acceptable to them to decline someone who is educated to the highest possible standard in the UK, who wants to work for free, purely on the basis of his name. Thank you Jordan! So last year bought a house in a mountain town in the Sierra Nevada mountains. Because I am white I could pass for being British or European but I am not. The irony of this situation is that in your misguided attempt to Make England Great Again, you've torpedoed much of the foundation of the UK's current wealth. Please don't be afraid of the UK! I can probably tell you something fantastic about a lot of them. I have lived all over the UK and when I first arrived, years ago, it was a different, more open place. And everything about th weatheryes, yes, a thousand times yes haha. This, sadly, has to be the most ludicrous, ill informed, nonsensical piece of writing I have ever had the misfortune to read. SO MANY of them. What I find interesting is how xenophobic the North of England is when a high proportion of very intelligent immigrants work for the NHS and treat them in hospitals, and yet there is a very tangible dislike for foreigners. It.has been sad to see the decline of the uk. Wasn't uni education free at one point? We are now in Portugal and we miss the prices for groceries in the UK BUT with everything, life is still such much cheaper here. London has less rain per annum than Bucharest, look it up. I grew up in the 1980s and had real racist abuse (P*** word etc).However, for every racist, there was *always* 4-5 kids, adults etc berating them and defending me. The term is used to describe an anti-social lower-class youth dressed in sportswear. But spending all your life covering up your origins because of racism at school means you are living a lie. Not for Muslims it isn't. Wishing you all the luck in the world. This way you can still get letters, keep on banking etc It costs a few hundred pounds per year but well worth it. The cost of HS2 is mainly in legal fees ! We're spending 2017 living out of bags - currently in Portugal, soon heading to Morocco and Albania, the maybe Italy before SE Asia. I live in the UK right now (Scotland), but I'm not a citizen. London is the 6th Most Michelin Starred city in the world, higher than Hong Kong or Barcelona. We have pies (a variety of them), we have the mighty Sunday dinner, the toad in the hole, the stew, sausages and mash, fish and chips. But it's starting to pop up again, with quite a few creators on TikTok and other platforms making videos that take the mick out of. I apologised and ran out crying, feeling desperate and marginalised. Every time mum came to visit, she always said how much she loves shopping for food in the UK. Britain was built on pure evil and racism. Discourse on chavs in contemporary Britain has been widely implicated in the . Excellent post with a logical argument and pros/cons clearly explained. Our neighbours have been fantastic and really welcoming. I've contemplated getting a car dozens of times but it always turns out more expensive than not owning one. Lots of things cost the same in Canadian dollars here that they do in pounds in the UK! Rent is ridiculously expensive and housing quality is despicable, I was shocked! If that happened in the UK, there would be an international outcry. Bay Area of AMERICA itself THRIVES off of diversity and people all over the world (whether they are black, Latino, Asian or EU) -- what you're stating as facts about the USA seem like half-baked observations, because clearly you don't know how diverse US is in opinion, culture and tolerance. Answer (1 of 9): Hello Ian Kent and welcome to Quora. The Fabian Society considers the term to be offensive and regards it as "sneering and patronising" to a largely voiceless group. It is used in envy by the lily livered, privileged, pale, besuited bank clerk who sees people dressed up to the nines and going to the West End." It's no. London is the 6th Most Michelin Starred city in the world, higher than Hong Kong or Barcelona. I will go further and suggest there is a lot of naivety amongst younger generations around the world. They showed me a name. Anyone who would kick you out for "bad spelling" must be crazy. In an ideal world none of these things should matter. But that's ok, I was never afraid of hard work and long hours of study. On the contrary, the positive is that now I value Italy so so much more and I understand how brainwashed I was about British culture (my English friends were laughing about my naivety as well). Dear Sarah, New Zealand truly is a wonderful place. My cousin is laughing that she has a better lifestyle, travels the world as much (for work and play) and is not trapped in a miserable terminally depressed island. 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