The former study also concluded that while a triple system for Sirius could not be fully eliminated, the probability was low. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. (2004). He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. by Philip Coppens. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. by Liam McDaid. 68-70. But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beeks devastating research. But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems I suspect not.". "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Sirius WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. On this episode of MonsterTalk we chat with archeologist Dr. Ken Feder about giants, biblical archeology and one of the biggest hoaxes in American history. The Dogon. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. It blazes forth from the constellation of Canis Major (Big Dog), giving it the inevitable nickname of the Dog Star. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. Moon is traveling through Cancer today. 139-167. Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. 1995. Second, while it is difficult to obtain precise locations of many archeological sites referred to in The Sirius Mystery, Temple himself shows a map that gives the location of Behdet (31.23 degE, 31.50 degN) and Thebes (32.63 degE, 25.70 degN). If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. A recent newsletter from my local astronomy association still found the Dogon and their mysterious knowledge of Sirius B worth mentioning. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. ;WI)hK>U/sW_: v* &73DUI*y|07s^gQ7ni[khi4o2vA[a20?D-C[;,!vgejZE-,I51.cWS,?4#_}dpU4I[, w.Mi>Z@iOa:ia](i}29pit+ K#x>0nzDS%c7iN}%37Y-f 1Yvq'Nm=~-%#bO*O44*4%Aj Wi How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? Whew! Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. Perhaps the source was Temple Since Oberg cannot do so, we need not concern ourselves with criticisms of The Sirius Mystery." Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), It's fascinating. On top of that, there is another star, Sirius B, orbiting at an average distance of about 20 AU (1 AU is the distance between the Earth and Sun). Encyclopedia Galactica,, Benest, D. and J. L. Duvent. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. Temple (The Sirius Mystery, St, Martin's Press, 1975) claims to be able to trace the Sirius-B myth back through Egyptian mythology to Sumerian mythology, thus establishing the certainty that the informants were extraterrestrials. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. The alleged visitors from outer space Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. The Dogon legend connected with Sirius, wrote Ridpath, "is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally." History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. no conclusions of any kind." Used under aCreative Commons license. A Search for Faint Companions to Nearby Stars Using the Wide Field Planetary Camera 2,. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. Paranormal, ed. It is also possible to conclude that such a star could in no way be responsible for the flurry of sightings from the 1920s, it would be too faint and too close to Sirius A to have ever been seen by visual observers.[17]. Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. The Nine also claim to be extraterrestrial beings from the star Sirius. The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. I disagree. [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. Seeking Clarity? The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. They conclude that Temple was very keen to please his mentor, who believed in extraterrestrial beings from Sirius. But other observers have also written skeptically about the "Sirius Mystery. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz This is the original Dogon drawing. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. ancient Egypt.*. "Robert Temple on three different occasions, by mail and phone, attempted to get support from me and I steadfastly refused," Asimov wrote. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. The Dogon also hold a big sigui ceremony every 60 years, which some interpret as representing the period of time it takes Sirius B to go around Sirius A. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. 2000. After being surprised that an astromomy association would, after all this time, bother to publish such an article, I did a web search and found that in 1997 Robert Temple published a second edition of the book that started it all TheSirius Mystery in which he addressed none of the main criticisms that had been directed against the first edition, published in 1976. this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. 1999. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? The inspiration for this claim was a star map produced by Betty Hill while under hypnosis. Temple claims that bas-reliefs of the Sumerian demigod Oannes, which depict a "fish man," prove Nommo, whom the author identifies as the ancestor of the Dogon Nommo myths, was an amphibious extraterrestrial. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The second problem is that ancient writers seemed to use color for stars in a way different from the way that we do (they described Pollux, Arcturus, and Capella as red a modern observer would call them yellow-orange, orange, and yellow, respectively). mystery resurfaces." Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Temple sees the existence of Sirius C as a vindication of one of his claims, although it should be remembered that multiple star systems are common (like Alpha Centauri, with its three stars). He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely The Dogon. The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. Temples in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? % Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired G. Stein (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996), pp. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. rotation is astronomically possible but whether it is correct or not we cannot yet know. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Is Sirius a Triple Star?, Adams, H. H. 1983. As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. The Dogons were not isolated. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. 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