To Lori The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information For the upcoming Halo TV show, original Master Chief voice actor Steve Downes was recast, despite Cortana voice actor Jen Taylor reprising her role from the iconic video game franchise. I think u need to read the facts. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch. If not, why not? Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. Diane is not a killer or a liar! Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. I hope she is granted parole. Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of 82 that you would have left Charlene at one time? At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. It does not get any bigger than this. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. Re Diane Downs I invite reading Synopsis quite similar to above: OREGONs Juridical Small Sacrifices Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. View theaffidavits. Then they just got shut out. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? Are you still taking comments by email? Her son ended up in jail and ONeils children accused him of neglect and bad parenting. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. Mr. Jagger failed to challenge that competency. Page 40 of Case History. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. So there was a transfer, but nothing else was found. She'd also shot herself in the forearm. But showing no remorse is part of claiming her innocence and part of the vicious circle of parole hearings. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. Thats food for thought. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. Many individuals associated with the the child welfare system, for one reason or another, choose to adopt children. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. Unfortunately couldnt really do anything at that point, as the movie was not VHS yet, it only aired that oncein late 89. Because she seemed "aloof". So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. lol. I know that most people think she is guilty. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. She did not have the opportunity to clean her hands with the right product to erase all traces and she was tested pretty fast, contrary to many other cases. They were tons of witnesses that saw him at work. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. Instead of talking about her being locked up for so long, answer some very legitimate questions regarding this case. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. I am interested in the truth. She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Most read in News I do not declare her innocent. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. Shes where she belongs. I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. But saying that you are not very smart is useless. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. Yes, but it is a fact that she was starting to say that she did not know who shot them when it happened. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The person leaned into the car. Now in hindsight, seeing footage on youtube, especially the interview she did with the reporter Anne Jagger, the things she says and facial expression is exactly described in the bookhad to find the section in the book, but on that note, Anne rule did site that interview correctly. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes continuing confessionthat he wasthe shooter, and his appearance boresimilarities to the sketch. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. 6. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. Around 1 in 20 residents in Arkansas and Tennessee were missed during the 2020 census, and four other U.S. states had significant undercounts of their populations which could shortchange them Most people negotiate the ups and downs of . Also, the title of the website clearly demonstrates an inherit bias. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. He failed. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. 4. Not right at all. I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. Growing up, Diane had felt like an outsider and kids had been cruel towards her because of her real or imagined ugly duckling looks and demeanor. I lived through the media coverage. If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. Its tiresome. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). I dont believe there was a CK. Many troubling elements of the case were discovered after the trial, but there was enough during the proceedings to be asking questions. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. Steve Howey and Sarah Shahi both grew up in the Lone Star state but their romance didn't begin until they were both acting in Los Angeles. Where to begin? They were put in an impossible situation. Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. Below this letter see links to Salem-News.com articles about the questionable conviction of Diane Downs. It will likely take place very early in the war when John is young. Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. Q. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. He has lived a life outside the public eye and hasn't ever come out to give interviews to the media about his ex-wife. Yeah, Ive noticed a lot of people thing Jim Jagger is Fred Hugi. But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. The prosecutor didn't even know that after the Mother's Day road rage incident in 2020, Rivas was charged in Maryland with leaving the scene of another accident involving bodily injury. A sick kid who had a stroke and traumatized being pressured for weeks to remember her mother killing her? That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. And thats fair enough. It is not, as the blogger frequently refers to, evidence. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. Thats the problem with high profile cases. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? . You hit the nail right on the head. Fred Hugi looks nothing like Jim Jagger. The rest of the family? Nothing in this blog claims Diane is innocent. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. We dont know. She was found guilty. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? Tracy, I never said she was in the car. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. You wondered at times, which side he was working for. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. Seems like she was her worst enemy. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? Insulting a woman in prison since 30 years instead of debating the inconsistencies of this case is pretty pathetic. The courts were divided in the 80s, family court, traffic court, criminal court, juvenile court I dont believe they ran out of judges to preside over them all. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. This is also what the state did to her. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. So glad you wrote and provided this information. Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses reports. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. The kids were shorted-changed. On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. In the end, it is scary how media becomes some kind of Roman circus where people is thrown in order to become a source of business. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy: Relevance? Carol Kirkwood shared an insight into her recent holiday to Norway with fianc Steve Randall on Wednesday as she shared their first social media post together.. Diane downs. Even put in different hospitals. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. Q. Mr. Ive done my research. She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. I am not saying that Diane was a saint or Ann Rule a demon. As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed. Page 37 of Case History. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. Clearly the social workers were working with the DAs office and taking advice on best interest of the children from them. It always feels like punishment at all costs. She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). The character of the accused is not the main ingredient, especially that in this case, there was a lot of bashing going on in the media and in court. Hello. They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. (Appendix 3). Her family supported her. Yes, dad relinquished his rights but he knew that they loved their grandparents and had allowed Diane to take them for a visit without telling the authorities. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. It means you dont orphan the kids. Plus according to an expert at trial, her testimony did not match the blood spatter analysis in the car. Diane was just 18 years old but determined to get married. Without the media blast and rush to judgment from the police and DAs office, we might have uncovered the truth. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. I had never heard of this case and fell upon several videos that had me completely convinced DD was a narcissistic psychopath. But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it. time it was the situation was down. I am not saying she is innocent. Were they involved in the plot too?? rudy francisco rifle analysis / ford employee profit sharing 2022 / why didn't steve downs get custody. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. She did not fit in and was now anxious to assert her independence and live her own life. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. $20.00 at Gamestop $37.01 at Walmart $59.99 at Best Buy. The goal is always to keep family ties intact. After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. I also grew up in as time of the most infamous case in Australias judicial history: Lindy Chamberlain and the dingo stole my baby. Additionally, homicide or assault victims shot by someone else can test positive for GSR. I do not discuss her guilt or innocence because this is not what the blog is about, but I personally hope she is released one day. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. Gun shot residue is not always present. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). I also wish that Dianes children have a great life. Was that Annes fault as well? It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? Thanks again. Women who were somewhat normal begore, get pregnant, have the baby, then drown it a toilet, kill or beat the the baby in the first year..shaking or other means..its less often then notbut better believe these type of cases are reported constantly now on social media. Yet in their mind, she was already guilty. I still remember my mother picking up the paper and seeing the headline. They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. 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