I dont know if I should believe anything guns3x has to say, he is clearly insane. In the case of the SCCY they are worth it. A bunch. On that note, you KNOW were kind of spoiled with all the great pocket guns available today. It is not a pleasant gun to shoot, but a helluva lot worse on the receiving end. Tiny little semi-automatics sure, there are many good ones and many bad ones. Shocking that an IO Inc product is at the bottom of the barrel. That would be TTAG, and a handful of others. I would bet my life on this smallish, nice looking pistol. Bottom line, a lifetime warranty isnt worth squat if they cant fix the problem and their only answer is to blame the customer. Every trigger Ive ever pulled is better than the LCP. No problems with it at all. But that is just learning curve and a trade off when they removed the problematic safety from the earlier models. Great little pistol. The S&W MP EZ 380 read the reviews even on the Glock site they praise the SW MP 380 EZ Yeah, apparently without the server capacity to handle the resulting load increase, too. The only guns to get near a 100 votes are the Beretta and the SCCY. Sure just As in best gun LOL. While the LCP II will accept the same 6 round magazines as the original LCP, it also will not slide lock on the last round with those magazines because they were not designed to do so. I have 2 of them. ******SPONSORED CONTENT/PRODUCT PLACEMENT******. The Hellcat II was cheap when purchased new, and you can find one used for around $100. Kim Kardashian and POTUS are best two examples of known abuse. If one MUST have a 9mm pocket gun, then the Kahr PM9/CM9 is really the only choice. Just keep shooting your pistol. The Pico is built like a tank. Hellcat 380. Lets find out by comparing it to the original LCP. Got over 1000 rounds through it, and no problems. Thousands of flawless rounds and handles Hot ammo better than most guns handle standard ammo. Ive owned a CPX 2 for about a year and we shoot every weekend. No issues to complain about. Look at the back of the slide. .380 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) This ammunition round was first introduced by Colt back in 1908, to use in its new Colt Model 1908, which was a compact, hammerless semi-automatic pistol. The price is right, but the performance and ratings just arent. It pains me to include the DB380 on this list because I bought one acouple years ago. Have you ever even shot one? WebMAC Website & PrimaryArms website link: http://www.militaryarms.orgJoin Patreon and support MAC! Recoil was worse on the 380 than the 9. WebBest 9mm Concealed Carry (CCW) Pistol - SIG Sauer P365. 400 rounds! In this review, we will cover the disadvantages of the .380 pistol that the LCP II sought to remedy, what makes the LCP II an improvement over the original LCP, and the uses for and specifications of the LCP II. I would love to meet you and show you what your are NOT talking about. WebSome derringers, like the Bond Arms derringers, are brilliantly crafted guns. For their size they are accurate but these are not range guns (especially the CM40). Its tight, even well after break-in. Great gun otherwise. the Truth about Guns is one of the most biased groups around. These flaws include, but are not limited to: .380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. Glad I didnt see mine. Those were the worst. Cant say LCP is much better than any of these above, but it has been reliable. The double 1911 also has ratings. Ive had one for 5 years with no more problems than a Kel-tech 380, and Ruger LCP I compared side by side at the range. Bottom line: you can do much better. http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/ppk/ Since I dont know whether or not your going to use it for EDC, I will recommend one full size and one small one which i think are the 2 best IMO. I use the site SlickGuns a lot to shop for deals and they ran into the same problem with upvotes and downvotes people vote something down just because they wouldnt personally buy it makes no difference if it is a good deal, good product, etc. So far wevecollected roughly 34,000 votes with an average rating of 6.1 overall. But if ultimate concealment is the need, then just accept that it will need to be .380. Beretta did a fine job on the Pocket Pistol. But this article should be called Articles to avoid like the Plague. My old PPK/s doesnt like Blazer alum. In a fight you wont notice it. Far too many people have shot themselves or objects in their house loading a NAA revolver because they didnt pay attention to safety instructions. I will run the Pico side by side the Kahr any day and have. Hey Dan, what gun have you designed or invested in? Lol, I think he is a troll with other guns as well. There are many different 380 pistol options, but our favorites include the following: Ruger LCP II, Walther PK380, Kel-tec P3AT, Taurus Spectrum, and M&P Shield EZ. In contrast to this, the original LCP did not lock back on the final round. Ive heard too many bad comments and complaints about the I.O. My PT 22 is surprisingly reliable. I also have the Kahr. Sure, I can see how many people liked or didnt like a firearm, but more important than that is the REASON they voted the way they did. they do have a 200 round break in that they tell you to expect possible fails also. So now I have a paperweight in the shape of a gun ! Stainless steel through out the gun. until you find a way to weed out braindead haters who vote based on their idiotic and unedumacated feelings all of your results will be skewed by gun store rednecks who dont know what the word ballistic even means. Sig without question is the "Caddilac". Mostly new firearm buyers that buy into all the advertising and ridiculous internet junk. Actually the Hellcat felt better in the hand and was more accurate for me with a better sight than other micro pistols. IO stopped making them and moved to Florida. All these tacticool wannabes on here think theyre special. I also feel the cw380 has very minimal recoil vs other small 380s in its same size. Thats when I could get them to respond to my emails, that is. Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. Too many women wind up dropping the gun which the thug grabs and then uses on the woman. And I especially enjoy its clever name. Glock 42 4. Worked fine til the last shot on the second reload. When I dress up, the P380 is the best answer to the pocket-carry problem. I used to have one. Ruger markets the trigger as having a six pound pull. This is NOT a target gun. Go to the Beretta form Pico and the gun is loved by many. It is considerably lighter and smoother than the original LCP and other comparable .380 pistols, and it also features the Glock-style bladed safety that must first be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled. Lol, a very nice DAO, the new Gen is much lighter. M&P Shield EZ .380 6. No problems when used within its limits. He says it is a blunder. Try posting a survey asking for votes on Glocks, for instance, and you will get a very polarized response . All guns I would have avoided anyway, except the Pico. One now has over 4,000 rounds of flawless ammo down range the other now over 1500 and have never broken a firing pin. Or had a bad exp. I would even venture to say its a 50/50 gamble when buying a Kel Tec. Mine works, has worked, continues to work, and has never not gone bang. We buy a pocket gun for last-ditch self defense, which literally makes it a do-or-die gun. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Anyway, all just my opinion here. Their customer service is great and my pistol has run 100% since I bought it with multiples of hundreds of rounds through it. Zero malfunctions in 300 rounds including pocket lint coverings. I bought it after reading the review on TTAG. Ive been fortunate enough to be able to shoot a big variety of different .380s. The best one, so far, that I have shot with the least amount of re http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-beauty1.jpg I was thinking the same thing as I read this article. +1. Here are some basic facts for the Ruger LCP II: In conclusion, the Ruger LCP II simply represents the beginning of the evolution of the .380 pocket pistol. Wrong about sccy. My Gosh folks, this is total BS, read the directions. Its that bad. But despite those advantages, .380 pocket pistols have also been plagued by a number of downsides. How many times do you change magazines in a self defense situation? How is it possibly at the top of the list? This is the J-Frame for the masses. You get two shots, a single-action-only I challange anyone to break down the Pico and compare all parts to any of the Aluminum Chassis Pocket guns. You have to use the recommened ammo in the manual. According to our peers, here are the six worst pocketguns, from less awful to worstest. I dont know the story behind why but we can only guess. That could happen with any gun someone didnt ,maintain and hadnt tested out at the range. I posted a new post today regarding the nonsense by this author about the Pico. You need to learn more about handguns before posting such nonsense. Except for a derringer but that is because the prior owner dry fired it which you are to never do. It is designed as a personal defense arm not a target pistol or a plunker. And I have not shot one better then these in the same weight and AOL class. I have several friends who own Picos and swear by them. Obvious, one writers bias, trying to get internet rookies to bash guns most have never shot nor even understand. Do you perhaps have a very early one? I broke the firing pin on the first day. Even though its not made anymore, Ive been interested in trying out a Taurus PT638 if I ever ran across one for a reasonable price, anyone have any experience with one? It would likely be more meaningful. And what sucks is I held off buying a 380 cause I really thought the Pico would be great. This is like the buzzfeed of gun articles. Too small, too weak, too much plastic. I had an occasional ejection glitch in mine when I first got it, but the company paid to have it shipped back to them for adjustment, and the piece hasnt hiccupped a single time, since. A recoil spring system that not only sucks, but lends the thing to have constant and regular jams and FTF and FTEs. By the way, break down the Kahr and compare it to the Pico. Surprised the Remington R51 didnt make this list. But with the right technique and practice, its fine. Apparently their readership likes Sigs with large sample sizes. It smacks you hand, mostly due to the 2 finger grip. You have entered an incorrect email address! The trigger seem to be the trouble people have with it. I carry it about as often as I carry a Glock 19 mainly based upon clothing/belt shortcomings in dress scenarios. I think you would be hard pressed to find any thing this good for that price. They are meant to be defensive arms that can be easily carried in the pocket. The trigger is fantastic, and reassuring in handling and holstering (leather IWB) in ways that Glock is not. Happy ending. Otherwise, their opinion may mean nothing. I love my CPX-1. First of all I do have the Kahr and like the gun very much. Ruger LCR in 38 spcl +P. Do it outside with the gun pointing at the ground and mind your hand positions. It makes my SR40C feel like a 9mm. How is the pot metal Cobra #2? around $219 plus S&H and ffl fees. But hey, thanks for calling regulars to this site a-holes. But do not tell me the Kahr is a better gun. No gun, none, should have a mag release that is that stiff and impossible to use fast and effectively, especially in a carry gun none the less. I assume the reason the CM40 sucks is similar. How anyone can actually report that a gun that has the build quality of the Pico is one of the worst is beyond me. Fan boys gotta fan boy, and critics gotta criticize. The Pico is one of the best firearms in its class out there period. The Ruger LCP II, released by Ruger at the end of 2016, sought to remedy many of those downsides. Not any more fun to shoot, but at least I dont need a damned pencil to take spent brass out of it. They were remarkably accurate and soft-shooting, too. Personally, Id like to see something a little more scientific than a survey since we have no idea if the respondents even handled the firearm. There is a reason why this is Berettas top Pocket gun. Also, I dont consider the CPX-2 to be a pocket pistol, nor should it be compared to some of the little single stack fluff-pieces the articles author referenced. From what I have heard the folks at SCCY provide great customer service. Both the front and rear sights are black which can make it difficult to see them if you are aiming against a dark background. Stovepiped and double fed left and right, and Kel-Tec didnt want to lift a finger without me footing the bill for shipping. I just went through your site and clicked a one star on every gun over $500 and a 10 star on every gun under $500 with my only basis being I dont currently have an expendable $500 in my pocket and I dont like them because they are out of my budget Just kidding, I didnt, but anyone out there could do it, which is why I think your system is incredibly flawed by not at least holding reviewers to having to list a reason. I normally enjoy Truth about guns. There is an author named John Lott, who became a best seller from an unknown very quickly by doing exactly that. If its good Ill spread the word. Nemesis pocket holster, and 1 spare mag, goes everyehere. Not sure why the Sccy is on this list, I own a cpx2 and its great! Does this guy have any gun expertise? The mag will spring out when done correctly. I have put about 2000 rounds through them 100% reliable so far. The Type 94 Shiki Kenju. It came back still not fixed. Also people need to fire them at the range. You also do not understand how to use the mag release or what it is intended for. To start with they sat on it for 2 whole years teasing a release and it just kept getting pushed back further and further. I had huge issues with a Kahr, so they will never get my money again. . I have to disagree about the SCCY CPX-2. There are many more maligned pocket guns and sub-compacts on the market than these two. The Mary Rosh controversy (where Lott used that pseudonym to answer critics and to post one favorable review of More Guns Less Crime) is discussed. Booth #72617 Cabot Guns I have pocket holsters for all but the S&W and had been carrying the XDS 45 regularly till yesterday. So the recoil is stout. It feels good in the hand and the materials and workmanship are fine. I liked the gun otherwise, but the awful trigger was a total deal breaker for me. I met Leghorn at a Range Day last year and he knows little about handling a weapon. But thats just me Not everyone places as much weight on user ratings as I do. The Pico will eat any ammo I have fed it, and has proven flawless with thousands of rounds down range. Thats whats currently on my hip and I love it. But, in real life event, the trigger want matter. Because they unreasonably expected to consistently hit a bullseye at 50 yards with a pocket pistol? Man, all I can say is when you mentioned the Pico, you sure messed up on that one. I will say they like Ruger and a few other vendors copied Kel-Tec once again as this thing look like a P11. Empties wouldnt just fail to clear the slide; theyd never leave the chamber. Do they now have 12 round mags? Web.380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. All of this list (for the most part) are price point guns and no, you will not get HK quality for $200, but this list is about as fanboy as anything I have ever seen on here. To quote his expertise is laughable. By the way John, I have the Kahr, yes nice gun.Shoots well. He talks about having to yank the Mag. The sights on the LCP II are built into the top of the slide like its predecessor. capacity. Examples of popular small pocket .380 autos include the original Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP, Smith & Wesson Bodyguard .380, and the Kel-Tec P3-AT to name a few. Small, accurate and reliable. Well, youre in luck, because your fellow Americans have voted, and for some pocket guns, the results arent pretty . Because they werent reliable? The LCP isnt that bad. How about some info on some of the pocket pistols that may be considered the best? None. Do you really know anything about pocket guns? I really get the feeling you know little about the Pico. Ultra smooth shooters. Getting the trigger on the safety notch is something you should never goof around with. Given all that, wouldnt it be nice to know which pocket guns you can rule out right off the bat? (Including the book he wrote about how to cheat Amazon buyers by faking reviews.). And for sure never shot one. . Cobra lasted 10 minutes in my house. Having visited that site, I dont think their rating system really gives me enough information to choose between firearms. It is also the only 10 shot 9mm you can find that is truly small enough to pocket carry. At my handgun review and rating site, gunsgunsguns.net, we offer star ratings on a scale of 110 for every gun featured on the site. In fact, reading them, even with comments, is quite nearly a waste of time. So, pocket guns being inherently hard to shoot and prone to limp wristing will experience failures. Women need to be told about the woman in Birmingham who was being robbed and pulled out a gun. Keltec P11 will take S&W 669 mags10,15,20 rounders..just like the Marlin Camp Rifle.. Slicked up and did a Golden Loki Fluff & Buff on my Kel-Tec P3AT after I bought it years ago. Get a Kahr CW380 or P380 and just be done with it cause they really dont get much better for pocket 380 carry IMO. It was his first time shooting it (or any gun) ever. It had some issues ejecting, but a trip to the factory corrected the issues. Are you kidding me? NOPE! No warning shot, no shoot to wound. Baby glocks seem like an attractive option as at least they have a somewhat normal trigger w/ a normal length of pull. .380 pocket pistols are traditionally difficult to fire for a number of reasons: in addition to the horrid trigger pulls like we just discussed, they also suffer from being extremely snappy due to their small size. ! Silver tip p+ for carry, or whatever local law enforcement carries. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. But unlike those highly rated guns, the Hellcat IIs rating is in the toilet. What a joke. The movie Gigli had the worst, lowest rating ever on IMDB, voted on by tens of thousands of people. These are not military combat weapons. Otherwise you will just get a ton of, Wait, that gun is not a GLOCK! i cant effectively describe the feel of the action; except to say it was similar to dragging a cinder block up a gravel hill. Note that I said voted and not have ever even touched the gun at a pawn shop, let alone fired it.. Plus, the Picos 9mm cousin, the Nano, rates well above average. Got the Hellcat thrown in when I bought another gun. Or the Kahr in there? Mine also runs well, and they feel really well made. Ive put plenty of rounds through my p3at and its reliable. All I know is my 1st CPX-2 had to be sent in for service 30 minutes after I got it home. My SCCY runs like a champ. Kahr CW 380. [Edit: Jeremy S. had issues w/ the Pico as well], 5) Kahr Arms CM40(3.8 stars 0.7, 36 votes). You sound smart. After this 1911 bill gets passed, Ill be carrying a 1911. Never jammed on me or on my daughter who went to the range with me. Any failure rates? I would have bet the farm that the Ruger LCP was the worst small pistol ever created. I doubt he even read the directions. Both have been dependable and will function without a flaw on anything I have tried. Nice gun, but many of Kahr owners go to the Pico and never look back. I tried to get Gunsgunsguns.net to pop up-no dice in 5 or 6 tries. Using that, Ive compiled a spreadsheet of the resultsby filtering down 200+ subcompact handguns, first by caliber (nothing weaker than .380 ACP), and then by size (nothing bigger than 5.77 long x 4.4 tall).That left 44 semi-autos, which I sorted by each guns average user rating. Top 5 .380 Pistols Our Top Pick Glock 42 .380 ACP Sportsmans Warehouse (Check Price) Palmetto State Armory (Check Price) Primary Arms (Check I own and have tested both the CPX1 (manual safety) and CPX2 (no manual safety). Do not yank the magazine friends. I really wanted to like the gun. It covers the trigger guard of the pistol and has a hook and sticky material to stay secure in your pocket so it is easy to draw the pistol from your pocket without bringing the holster with it. The Pico is top notch. just kidding 32,490 views Aug 21, 2021 1.1K Dislike Share nutnfancy 852K subscribers Another ranting reviewoh man we do not like You should consider using a Bayesian average for this situation. Thank-you. S&W Bodyguard .380 7. If you actually carry a gun in your pocket, even in a pocket holster, its gonna get dirty. Unlike several riflesOh wait I might get a 22mag but not for big money. AMEN . The biggest improvement, by far, is the trigger pull. Shoot to make the thug dead. Everything they make are just wrought with problems. I own two of them, and they have turned out to be the highest quality most reliable firearms I own. Kahr makes a lot of pocket guns, and several of them rate really well. Wanted to check to see if my comments really apply to your site, and it looks like your server is in melt-down. Wisdom of the crowd is an awfully unknown thing to be making life-and-death decisions on. I owned a SCCY CPX-2 (notice the past tense). I appreciate the review. I bought a SCCY CPX-2 a few months ago . Who knew a firearm could actually be worse? You can get these on line at times for Like a great car or movie, a great firearm can become a true classic. Ive never seen one that ran well or was anything but unpleasant to shoot, provided you can get more than one round off without a misfeed. I have heard the PiCO may be TOO small. Otherwise a worthy imitator of the abandoned Walther PPK. Yea James, if you look the SCCY gets like 4.3 stars the best out of this bunch and has the one of the higest vote stats and whats the comment from the author oh this gun stinks based on what? The CPX-3 and CPX-4 is now available in 380 with less recoil. The trigger is long and weighty but smooth. The first generation CPX-1s had some problems and gave the company a bad rep starting out, but the company was so adamant that they fixed their second Gen guns that you can send any of the old ones back (they shipped in red boxes) and they will replace them with brand new Gen 2s (which ship in blackish gray boxes). Take down the Pico. They are all solid, dependable, and reliable. My son made sure I carried a SW9VE for daily use. its a good resource with a lot of basic info on a LOT of handguns, a good start for anyone looking at a first gun, for example, or a second, for that matter. Really it sounds like some pretty crappy customer service. Learn to shoot pocket guns and find the truth yourself and stop listening to counter Clerks at big Box stores. (Though they have better triggers than the early LCPs, thats not enough), You should try mine. The tiny gun is lightweight, inexpensive and comfortable to carry. Just being a bashing b**** , gets you nowhere. Current (and Growing) List of Exhibitors at the Texas Firearms Festival. Stainless steel throughout the gun. Bersa Thunder 5. Nonetheless, it still suffers from many of the issues that we just talked about in the previous section: the trigger pull is awful, they are difficult to shoot, it can be difficult to get a good grip on the pistol for some shooters, and the slide wont even lock back on the last round fired. Standing out as one of the smallest on this list, Kahr isnt a I have received grief for it as well. .40 maybe too big for a leetle sub-compact pistol. My Cpx 2 is not 100% reliable, but I did not expect it to be for $250. Keep up the good work Jed, and thanks for the article. Simple, easy and the Beretta Pico is in fact one of the most mild shooting Pocket Pistols out there. The first day Growing ) list of Exhibitors at the end of 2016, sought remedy. 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