Any advice? Handle this the right way, as you should all things. a) Check our wiki b) Run a search c) Post your question with a *clear and specific title*, Press J to jump to the feed. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Make it impossible to lie? 2. Your insistence on snapping back or being defensive only adds evidence to a immaturity that will not serve the military. Hopefully by then youll be completely withdrawn from your meds. He. The paper requests numbers from the pre-surgery, 90 days after pre-surgery, and a month after that. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. Because of his failure to disclose his medical history at MEPS and it's discovery while he was on Medical Hold, he was administratively discharged from the Air Force without completing BMT for Fraudulent Enlistment. and was it a mistake for being honest at MEPS? Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. They don't pull up your records unless you need a clearance or unless it comes up. Also, if that user name is actually your name it's a sign that you might not really be very good at this subterfuge thing. Know all the risks and procedure limitations. Press J to jump to the feed. Glad to hear eye stuff is routine. Be the first to receive exciting news, features, and special offers from Bodybuilding.com! Not sure why I didnt expect this or was told this. He was only talking to a counselor because his cousin needed help and he wanted to support her as best he could. I knew she couldn't hack it but she joined anyways). My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. She wanted to get out so bad she went full retard, doing something dishonorable to get thrown out on a general discharge. Put me in the disqualified for medical category. This video I react to a video that JTsuits made where a person was kicked out of navy Bootcamp due to them being medically unfit. You were torn and want to be honest. Shoulda been a dishonorable. 1. The lesson is that we need to make it impossible for people to lie. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tool+bag&defid=1959463. Do you think the risk of getting shit bags and future suicides is worth the chance that one of them might be decent? Thanks! Though my friend told me his exam consisted of a puff eye test, exam for glaucoma screening. So ur saying stay off the pills for 90 days and I doesnt come up?how? Second, you state that the ORs are pushing you to lie. Further, he won't be able to enlist nor commission in any branch of the military ever again. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. They said "No problem, we'll work around it." He runs like 6 miles a day on it perfectly capable. Thank you for the quick replies. (if I do that then I would have to get all medical records I gave to them). Sounds about like what I figured. Anyways I called him a few weeks ago telling him I am interested. However, you do sign a paper that allows the navy to look through your medical history if something bad happens during training. There are many specific medical conditions that may disqualify you from joining the U.S. Military. ; and he asked my friend if he had ever smoked pot. Accidentally or on purpose are applicable. As long as you werent taking the pills within 90 days it wont pop up so just dont talk about them. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. He told me not to worry about it and say "no". 21 years active duty,kept my mouth shut about stuff that just did not need to be amplified. Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. The military is used to this, and they really don't care down the road. It indicates, "Click to perform a search". As above: the truth is easy to remember, keep consistent and coordinate with others. 03-10-09, 06:54 PM #10. redsox1804. When you're an officer and in a time-sensitive situation where lives are on the line, do you really think you have time to triple check? The main difference between them is that with LASIK, a corneal flap is created and replaced, and with LASEK, the top layer of the cornea is loosened, moved, and reattached. Now they say I need more information such as previous eye prescription, doctors notes, and more. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. And also a expunged ticket and felony charges. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if its a no go or not . (Navy). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Stuck waiting for MEPS to process my info from Military to Military as well as MEPS to MEPS. I think the chief issue is your pattern of distrust..and confidence in superiors. However, herein lies the problem. First, you didn't believe your OR so you called his boss who said the same thing, and then you come here looking for validation of the opposite advice. You must log in or register to reply here. I am perfectly health for Army service and will be telling hte MEPS doctors that *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. I got to certain sections and told him I have to say "yes" to these questions and I knew how important they were. While there, he experienced the emotionally stressful and physically demanding environment of being a Trainee at Lackland AFB. I was honest at MEPS. For questions like "Have you ever had mental health counseling?" Yet I come on this forum and nearly every single hopeful has 4 LORs from all sorts of military personnel and powerful individuals. And yet when the recruiter tells them to lie so he doesn't have to do paperwork they always believe him that no one will find out. If it won't come up again or if you don't need a TS-SCI, you can get away with not telling. He passed MEPS, signed a contract, and entered Basic Military Training (BMT). If you are denied entry to the military, it is very possibly the best thing for both you and the government. uuugh, it was hot. LASIK and LASEK are forms of corrective refractive eye surgeries, and both reshape corneas permanently. If people can lie about weed I dont see any moral dilemma about you lying about ADHD. This experience also likely caused further stress and worsened his long-term mental health because he was suddenly out of a multi-year career, and wasted many weeks of his and the Air Force's time. Downside, potentially get caught, hit with fraudulent enlistment, permanently disqualified. And you'll be sidelined forever. I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it's a no go or not . It seems like the most important mission of the army right now its safety and risk management, and with that in mind, it doesn't seem even remotely worth the risk. I was completely honest and I served honorably for 8 years. Dont lie. Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. However, they also discovered that the member received some depression counseling about 2 years before her MEPS visit, which she conveniently omitted. #12. So what should I do: should I call him and polk the bear? They may lie about behaviors, charges, and other possible information that could disqualify them from enlisting in the military. View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles View Gallery Uploads Marine Friend . Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Penalties for False Enlistment As stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign, lying at MEPS regarding medical or mental health history is a terrible idea with serious implications. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. If it had been correctly disclosed, he likely would have required a waiver and additional counseling before joining the Air Force. Hello, thank you everyone for this forum, it has been incredibly helpful. As a result, his history of mental health wasn't assessed by MEPS. Breaking subreddit rules may result in a ban from r/newtothenavy and r/navy. JavaScript is disabled. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. So now I have to play stupid as if nothing happened at MEPS but clearly they know I said something at MEPS. Your Recruiter will not be the one getting in troubleit will be you. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS, who would have requested a waiver, and she would have had a chance at a waiver by doing some additional evaluation. What I love is everyone parrots RECRUITERS ALWAYS LIE. Option 2: Lie. After seeing the counselor for about 3 months, he was diagnosed with Dysthymia and Social Anxiety Disorder (SAD). Because he felt that his condition was very mild, and that it was part of his cousin's support program, he did not disclose this to his Recruiter, nor MEPS. We all come to this website for information and most of us have been corrected on our approach by the main contributors in some fashion. Recruiter told me to lie . I wouldn't recommend it (even ignoring the important integrity aspects of your question. Obviously I will tell them about my felony charge. I played my "sax" a lot in basic. You are using an out of date browser. Fraudulent Entry can get you kicked out of the military. So I handed all of my medical and education records that he said to not worry about to the recruiter. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. This includes lying by omission (leaving information out) and lying by commission (purposefully misleading). That sent me down a long road of having to get a waiver for something that had no current medical basis and was utter medical fraud. If you are denied entry to the military, it is very possibly the best thing for both you and the government. She got counseling for the suicide gesture and related stress, which eventually resolved, and she again received more counseling for anger management a few years later (this was what the BMT medics discovered). Also it is about what job that you are going to do as a Officer. They determined she only had typical "walking" pneumonia, meaning she would just be held back for 1-2 weeks and join another BMT flight to graduation. The criminal background check and security clearance investigations can and do find sealed records. May 6, 2020. A forum to discuss Navy Recruiters, processing at MEPS, Delayed Entry Program, Enlisted Ratings, "A" Schools, Officer Candidate School, Recruit Training Command, and transferring to your first command. MEPS threaten to put these kids in fucking prison if they lie, and they lie anyway. Personally, go find another doctor that is ex-military that can weed through the BS. 4,250. Talk openly with your recruiter, MEPS staff, and your family. Good luck to you. When we started to fill out similar questions with the recruiter I started saying 'yes' on some of the questions. How do recruiters get medical records to MEPS for a med read? Here is the Press Release. If I go back to my doctor and ask them to fill it out with the actual dates (even though its not exactly on the mark of '90 days'), will it be a waste of time to send back to MEPS, maybe with a statement attached? He also said that as long as I take care of it before I leave, I'll be fine. I've done the 1 month check and will do the 6, 3 months is coming up so I'll have to get that on the books. The most popular bodybuilding message boards! What is the biggest lie you have ever told or been told, The following errors occurred with your submission. Let's Talk 3..e-mail: nathaliemunoz@live.comSubject "Let's Talk" you can send me anything you want from any topic!Previous LET'S TALK:1. https://goo.gl/jim. My dad said hell no, lost 60lbs and 6 years later has had zero knee pain. Always good advice. It's sometimes better to keep your trap shut and deal with possible consequences later. So what are the lessons from these stories? Do not encourage lying. First, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sometimes doctors might not directly tell their patients their actual diagnoses because of the stigma and fear surrounding Mental Health. They don't understand this stuff. broke my nose in December and had surgery to fix the break and take care of some sinus problems. they'll find out if you need a Top Secret security clearance or if the issue comes up. Just something to think of. That's what the exam is for, to make sure you're fit for duty. Disclose EVERYTHING. Wait 1-3 years off the medication. One new winner* is announced every week! My recruiter sent a 10 page report from the doctor along with the 'Refractive Eye Surgery Checklist' paper my recruiter gave me. What will you do at PI or San Diego when the withdrawal symptoms hit? So we met a few days later and met his shadow that will be taking his place and filled out all the medical paperwork. I'm certain they won't be. I went through in 2011 after Lasik. Generally speaking, no. By logging into your account, you agree to our. The TI took it away from him and then a few days later he got ahold of it again and was playing the thing on the ledge outside the window on the 3rd floor of the barracks. Nice guy and not pushy. For instance another friend went to meps and when he was doing the eye portion he was wearing contacts and the guy checking him didn't even notice. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. There's been zero issues from the surgery and was absolutely necessary as I couldn't do more than 10 pushups without the wrist being in terrible pain. I was still in high school, wrecked my car and tore up my hand a few weeks later, was medically discharged :/. I got both of these surgeries in order to be a seal, and would fucking hate if the reason I can't get in are the very surgeries I got in order to qualify for training. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. May 14, 2016 Just a note, if you decide to lie about it, you need to be sure that you won't let it slip sometime later. For information regarding Navy enlisted ratings, see [Twisky's Rating Information Guide] (https://www.reddit.com/r/newtothenavy/comments/6mxv7c/links_to_official_information_on_every_enlisted/). They do that at the School of Infantry. Maybe mental health evaluations should be more thorough, the guys with physical problems that the Army didn't know about got found out because they were being physically pushed but the mental nutjobsthey didn't get found out til they got to their unit. 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